So...what old reality stuff is canon?

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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Spin » Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:23 pm

Eclipse sure isn't just a cannon anymore.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Mobotropolis » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:58 pm

Okay, not "cannon", but "still happened in rebooted universe".

Oh. Well.

The Fat Panda covered most of it. The basic structure stayed roughly the same. Just some of the details are different.

Second, what you need to do is consider the whole pre-reboot continuity as gone, erased, what have you.

So ... the Prime-verse version of the characters were erased from existence and new versions of those characters inherited their memories and promptly forgot them?

Didn't Sonic remember Megaman? Doesn't that imply that he is Sonic Prime?
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Vampfox » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:42 pm

The old universe has to be canon since it leads into the crossover. The new reset universe was created when Dr Robotnik messed up Sonic's attempt to restore reality. The new universe only comes into existence because of the previous 251 issues plus Archie chose to continue with the numbering instead of rebooting the series with a new issue 1.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Spin » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:56 pm

Basically with the layout of the reboot, it's trying to play off as if the old continuity hijacked the reboot's continuity. With Sonic and friends going crazy for four issues. Which is almost unbelievable from an outside perspective as we know nothing about the prior history of the reboot to really solidify the thought except for some bare essentials that got thrown out. Which can be summed up as SatAM and the major videogames already happened.

If Sonic hadn't breathed in those toxins in #254, then Countdown to Chaos wouldn't be necessary to the reboot timeline. As the construction of the Sky Patrol is just another thing that the comic could sweep under the rug like so many other things. But Sonic suddenly turning Werehog for no reason is too glaring of an issue.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby SonicBlueRanger » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:04 am

Vampfox wrote:The old universe has to be canon since it leads into the crossover. The new reset universe was created when Dr Robotnik messed up Sonic's attempt to restore reality. The new universe only comes into existence because of the previous 251 issues plus Archie chose to continue with the numbering instead of rebooting the series with a new issue 1.


Yeah. That's not how the concept of reboots work.

Everything was blown up, rewritten at it's core and for all intents and purposes the 247 issues before Worlds Collide had vastly different storylines.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby TheFatPanda » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:32 am

Mobotropolis wrote:So ... the Prime-verse version of the characters were erased from existence and new versions of those characters inherited their memories and promptly forgot them?


No...? They're the same characters but they've been rewritten, not replaced.

Mobotropolis wrote:Didn't Sonic remember Megaman? Doesn't that imply that he is Sonic Prime?


Post-reboot Sonic essentially always has been the Prime Sonic. Again, you're going under the mindset that one incarnation of a character replaced another. They haven't, they're the same character, just rewritten.

Also Worlds Collide happened in the reboot universe too so of course Sonic would remember Mega Man.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:15 pm

SonicBlueRanger wrote:
Vampfox wrote:The old universe has to be canon since it leads into the crossover. The new reset universe was created when Dr Robotnik messed up Sonic's attempt to restore reality. The new universe only comes into existence because of the previous 251 issues plus Archie chose to continue with the numbering instead of rebooting the series with a new issue 1.


Yeah. That's not how the concept of reboots work.

Everything was blown up, rewritten at it's core and for all intents and purposes the 247 issues before Worlds Collide had vastly different storylines.


Actually, that's pretty much exactly how this reboot works. The new universe wouldn't exist as it is were it not for the events of the old universe leading to it.

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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Mr.Unsmiley » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:57 pm

the events of the old universe are what lead to the creation of the new universe from our perspective as readers, however the nature of that creation resulted in altering history, so in this reality, what actually lead to the Genesis Wave being caused was somehow different, because in this reality Sonic wasn't saving Mecha Sally in the arctic, instead he was in the middle of Generations or something
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:51 pm

Comic books, everyone.

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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Mobotropolis » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:22 pm

They haven't, they're the same character, just rewritten.

That's ... what I said. In my second post.

ChaosJam said otherwise so I questioned them.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Tedmeister » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:18 pm

I'm of the mind that everything that happened before the Super Genesis Wave is no longer canon. Any similarities that the two universes have are entirely coincidental.
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Mavrickindigo » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:05 am

Vampfox wrote:The old universe has to be canon since it leads into the crossover. The new reset universe was created when Dr Robotnik messed up Sonic's attempt to restore reality. The new universe only comes into existence because of the previous 251 issues plus Archie chose to continue with the numbering instead of rebooting the series with a new issue 1.

Actually, "Worlds Unite" explained that the crossover happened in the new universe
1.) Eggman uses the Genesis Wave to do "Genesis"
2.
Spoiler: show
The silver Age happens

3. Eggman somehow finds out about the Time eater
4. Sonic Generations Happens
5. Wily finds Eggman
6. Worlds Collide Happens
7. Because of what Eggman did in Worlds Collide, Sonic and Eggman suddenly get memories from a universe that never was and "Countdown to Chaos" happens.

Mr.Unsmiley wrote:the events of the old universe are what lead to the creation of the new universe from our perspective as readers, however the nature of that creation resulted in altering history, so in this reality, what actually lead to the Genesis Wave being caused was somehow different, because in this reality Sonic wasn't saving Mecha Sally in the arctic, instead he was in the middle of Generations or something

Imagine like Sonic 06. The stuff had to happen in order for it to be erased from the timeline, but because of the events that did happen during hte game, it was erased, therefore it wouldn't be on any simple chronological timeline. (it'd be more of a time web, at that point)
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Re: So...what old reality stuff is canon?

Postby Auklin » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:21 pm

I literally JUST did this video if it answers some of your questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2RDmU9 ... l=Jmyster4
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