Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we know?

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Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we know?

Postby Zan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:01 pm

Little is known about the interim between the Mega Man and Mega Man X series. An official outline of events does exist, but the developers prefer to leave matters to our own imaginations [1]. With this topic, I hope to piece together the fragmented bits of information we have on this elusive time period, supplying reference whenever needed.


Time Travel
Our first glimpse of the future comes courtesy of Quint. That enigmatic robot is actually Mega Man himself [2]!

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Mega Man and Mega Man?

For those unfamiliar with the story of “World 2”, Wily once stole an experimental time machine from a time-space research lab and used it to spy on Mega Man’s future *1.

He arrived in a peaceful world, free of conflict, in which an older Wily had reformed and Rock had reverted back into a household robot [3]. By conspiring with his future self, Wily kidnapped Rock and turned him into Quint before returning to the present.

So what does this mean for Mega Man’s future? Will Rock inevitably become Quint? What happened afterward?

“Challenger from the Future” gives us a little more insight [4]. In that game, we’re introduced to yet another time travelling foe. While many confuse him for Quint, “Mega Man Shadow” is actually another robot made in Mega Man’s image.

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Mega Man Shadow and the Dimensions.

When he arrived in the past and attacked Symphony City, Shadow told the following: the future Wily has not given up on his ambition of world conquest.

A lie, however. In his dying breath Shadow admits that Wily truthfully did not continue his evil ways. Though, he does reveal a bleak future in which Shadow himself became mad with power, desired to destroy the world, and faced ever stronger foes until no-one remained to stop him.

In the end, Bass and Rock both learn valuable lessons from Shadow’s tale. They vow not to go down this same path. Their determination gives us hope that perhaps, and only perhaps, Rock will not become Quint and a new future may be written.



Mega Man
The fate of our hero is officially unknown. Though it seems destined for Rock to become Quint and meet a poetic demise in battle against himself, this future represents only a possibility. As changes from the past ripple onward into the future, so too might the present stray from this set path *2.

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Mega Man and Quint in a heated battle for the future.

Using our imagination, limitless scenarios can serve to explain Mega Man’s absence from the X-series. One in particular, however, has acquired much infamy.

As many fans have asked: did Zero kill Mega Man? And if he did, who else?

Keiji Inafune’s personal stance is that Zero did NOT in fact kill anyone. It’s not in his profile [5]. Furthermore, the man has expressed a great distaste for excessive violence in the classic series [6]. Also let us not underestimate Mega Man in a theoretical battle against Zero. Though certainly one of the strongest robots ever, Zero can still suffer defeat against an enemy with strength of heart and many allies. Remember, just as Wily created Zero, Light created X. Though Mega Man and X are separate entities [7], X himself is also a more advanced version of Mega Man (equipped with the Mega Buster Mk. 17). Dr. Light may very well put X’s weapon and armour technology to good use if Rock requires such an upgrade.



Magnum Opus

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Light and Wily – eternal rivals – conversing their dying wishes to their last creations.

Dr. Light is remembered in history as “the father of robotics” [8], Dr. Wily as “the legendary mad scientist” [9].

Despite their differences, Wily and Light lived the last days of their lives in clear parallel. They both completed their magnum opus in secret before passing on. Dr. Light left a program with his personality to play back messages for X (which, for all intents and purposes, is the good doctor in person), whereas Dr. Wily was brought back by the virus [10] (perchance as Serges and/or Isoc, but most certainly as the ‘Old Man’ from X5). A hundred years into the future, the two continue to deliver aid in their own unique ways.

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X and Zero, parallels in every way.



Humans and robots
The groundwork laid by Dr. Light led to further technological developments over the course of a century. Though certain robot designs have withstood the test of time with minor changes (Mettaurs [11] and Battons [12]) others were quickly replaced, like how state-of-the-art phones become obsolete in less than a decade [13].

Still, a century later, little progress has been made in the field of humanoid robots until Cain’s creation of the Reploids. In “Maverick Hunter X”, Dr. Light gives us a plausible explanation why: not only does he have no one to carry on his work, humanity is not yet ready to accept a robot as humanlike as X. They fear the dangers he represents.

This should come as no surprise: not only did the world suffer great fear through Dr. Wily’s repeated attempts of world domination [14], invincible combats robots have also been used as weapons of war [15].

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X doing battle with the invincible combat robots of bygone days.

While Light never doubted X’s reliability for a minute, it took thirty years of ethical testing to persuade others of that fact.



Mega Man X
As early as The Power Battle, Dr. Light mentioned how robots don’t just need to increase their physical strength; they need to improve their cognitive programs. He spoke about giving robots the ability “to worry”. Like humans, they need to determine what is right and wrong by themselves [16] *4.

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What robots truly need!

The first robot granted this experimental ability is Mega Man X, whose very name (the variable “X”) represents “Limitless Potential.”

One little known fact is that the original Japanese manual contains an extended version of X1’s “Warning” message:

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WARNING

In it, Dr. Light ascribes X’s humanlike A.I. to “the act of worrying”. If extended to matters that by nature must not be questioned (e.g. if robot were to harm a human deliberately) the result would be disastrous. Humankind would tremble with fear, the like of which was unknown even in the days of the Dr. Wily incidents [14].

Though X “worries” most of all (as said in “Maverick Hunter X” *5), the Reploids have in fact inherited his ability. Based on X’s data and equipped with a “suffering circuit”, as to be biased toward neither side, they are fated to continuously worry about which side in society they should stand upon [17]. Older robots, despite having a conscience, personality and emotions [18], do not possess the same ability to disobey their human masters [19].

While Dr. Light always kept a positive outlook on the future – seeing X as the world’s hope and dreaming of human-robot coexistence – he was also a cautious man. Not only did he seal X away for 30 years ethical testing and limited X’s strength whenever possible, he also anticipated X would do battle against robots infected by computer viruses. To that end, he equipped X with the perfect virus countermeasure [20]. The good doctor may have dabbled in very dangerous research, he understood the risks well and took every precaution to prevent the worst possible outcome.



Zero
As a robot possessing impressive A.I. and an infinite Bassnium power source [19], Bass has gone against his own creator several times. His accidental creation and subsequent defiance led to Dr. Wily developing an energy stronger than Bassnium (the Maverick Virus, presumably) and a robot more powerful than Bass or Mega Man.

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ZERO

Chronologically, Zero first appeared in The Power Fighters when Wily showed his design to Bass (X2 form, X3 buster, no Z-saber). However, it would be some time before Wily completed this project. It would also appear that Wily ran into some difficulties. *4

Zero (X1 design) contained a flaw in his cognitive program that made him violent and unwilling to obey instructions (like Bass). For this very reason, Dr. Wily himself sealed Zero in a capsule [21] *6.

In 21XX, an unknown computer virus (a subspecies of Roboenza) emerged from the capsule Zero slumbered in and began driving robots mad locally [22] *7. Later Zero awoke from his capsule and wiped out Garma’s unit of Maverick Hunters before doing battle with Sigma. During this confrontation, the virus infected both of them at the same time (bypassing Zero’s imperfect virus countermeasure / antibodies through a breach in his armour). This event led to Zero’s personality changing completely. Reborn as a good Reploid, he joined the Maverick Hunters [17] [23] *8.

Since the above may seem contradictory. It’s important to note that the Maverick Virus serves a double purpose. First, when negated by his anti-virus systems, it empowers Zero to near invincibility. Second, through direct application (X2) or overexposure (X5), the virus awakens Zero’s true self. Thereby the Maverick Hunter is not the end product of virus infection, but rather an intermediate state born from attempted correction of the Irregular Zero. Awakened Zero (not Irregular Zero) is the strongest robot Wily envisioned, subservient to his cause.

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Awakened Zero, powerful, calm, collected, and under Wily’s control.



Additional Notes
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*1 The US manual for “World2” gives us the name Chronos Institute for the time-space research lab and “Time Skimmer” for their time machine. Wily travelled approximately 37.426 years into the future. By this figure, the future Wily would be around 90 years of age.
*2 Mega World / Wily Wars proves that time travel to the past can change the future. A temporal loop may still occur, however.
*3 Mega Man 9 introduces a law limiting the lifespan of robots. This may further explain the future absence of older model robots (humanoid or otherwise). However, we do not know if this law persisted after the incident. Furthermore, robots like Rock and Roll are clear exceptions to the law.
*4 The Power Battle occurs after Mega Man 7, before Mega Man 8. The Power Fighters occurs half a year after Mega Man 8.This puts the full production of X and Zero quite late into the timeline.
*5 The script differs between the original X1 and Maverick Hunter X, however the two versions are not incompatible. For the purpose of this text, they’re treated as complementary.
*6 Zero’s capsule was stored inside a warehouse/store in the Rocky Mountains. This is the same approximate region in which X was also found, later dubbed the “Forbidden Area”.
*7 The English version of Mega Man Zero Official Complete Works disagrees with the Japanese original on this subject [17]. The Sigma Virus does not actually originate from X’s suffering circuit (that we know of). The circuit is however mentioned as the “true form” or “true essence” of the Sigma Virus (in function, not in origin). On the old (but now defunct) Mega Man Network forums, the person tasked with the English adaptation of the book had expressed difficulty interpreting the paragraph in question.
*8 This information echoes the early concept scenario from Mega Man Zero Official Complete Works [17], though the detail of Zero being the “first” Reploid infected seems to have changed. The Idiom Dictionary of the same book, however, does mention that Zero was discovered as the source of the virus outbreak (the only one infected with the virus initially). Furthermore, Rockman Perfect Memories reckons that Zero was born with the virus already inside of him [24], whereas Keiji Inafune claims Zero passed the virus to Sigma [25]. Given his natural immunity and close proximity, it’s quite probable that Zero became a carrier of the virus long before it affected his mind.




References
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[1]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2013/02/02 ... a-changin/
Q03: Has what happened in the interim between the Rockman series and the Rockman X series been decided? Or is there no canon version of what happened?
CAPCOM: Of course there is such an outline, but don’t expect an official announcement of it. Players have always enjoyed using their imaginations to come up with their own conclusions, and we wouldn’t want to take that away from them…

[2]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2011/03/14 ... intn-time/

[3]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2010/09/20 ... al-lesson/
Q. I read that Quint is supposed to be the future Rockman who was remodeled, but does that mean that in the future Rockman loses to Dr. Wily?
A. Ah… That’s quite an inexorable situation. As we came to understand later on, in the future that “Quint” came from even Wily himself had reformed, resulting in a peaceful world that was free of conflict. As would naturally occur in such a setting, the “battle functions” had been already been removed from “Quint”. And that’s when our Wily showed up with that time machine and attacked, or so we understand.

[4]
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Rockman_% ... sha_Script

[5]
http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog ... _questions
1) Did Zero really "kill" the family between the events of the Classic Mega Man and X series?
KI: No, Zero did not kill them. According to the way I created him, Zero is not such a person--it is not in his profile.

[6]
Mega Man Complete Works
The ultimate unspoken rule about making a game that is geared toward children is that you simply cannot kill anyone.

[7]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2010/07/05 ... origins-2/
"Our protagonist this time is X, who is of course an entirely different person from Rockman."


[8]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2010/07/05 ... origins-2/
In this game, Dr. Right has already become a historic figure, known as the “Father of Robotics”.

[9]
Sagesse (Serges)
Leader of the 3 main Counter Hunters. Like the legendary mad scientist, he is a super genius!

[10]
http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog ... _questions
KI: A large amount of time has passed between the classic series and Mega Man X. Dr. Wily had died in the interim but was brought back by the virus.

[11]
Mettool C-15
Repliroid who watches the factory. From the former series that
worked at the factory, but this time they were actually advanced
enough so as to be placed as chiefs of the factory.

[12]
Batton M-501
Bat type mechaniroid which Batton Bone is based on.
It is a very unusual mechaniroid, made over 30 years ago.

[13]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2013/02/02 ... a-changin/
Q02: Why aren’t the robots from the original Rockman time period still around in the Rockman X time period? Especially since there are some robots with only minor changes.
CAPCOM: When you consider that state of the art mobile phones become obsolete in less than a decade, you can imagine how after 100 years you wouldn’t expect to see too many old models still remaining. There are indeed a few Metalls and Battons and such still around albeit with minor changes, so perhaps that’s because their designs are so enduring?

[14]
http://rockmanpm.com/?p=x/rockmanx1/manuals
“X” presents many problems inconceivable in existing robots. There is a danger he may worry over or question even the absolute requirement for robots, “Do not harm a human.”
The act of worrying in “X” marks a new epoch in robotics and is the first time this experiment has succeeded, but if it extends to matters that by their nature must not be questioned, it would be disastrous. In the worst case, if a robot were to harm humans deliberately, humankind would tremble with fear the like of which was unknown even in the days of the “Dr. Wily” incidents…
I conclude that “X” is an extremely dangerous being. If I am to send “X” out into the world, he must have a verification period of 30 years at the least. However, I do not have that long to live, and regrettably there is no one who understands all my research to carry it on for me.
Therefore I seal “X” here. If by some chance there is someone who discovers this capsule, as long as “X’s” thinking has not been fully analyzed, please leave him untouched. “X” is a robot laden with both unlimited possibility and unlimited danger…
Sep. 18 AD20XX
T. Right

[15]
Old Robot
Combat robot used in wars of the past. Heavily armored, attacks were once
useless on this invincible robot, but with the end of the wars, it was turned
to scrap. Where the armor is missing in the center is its weak point.

[16]
Dr. Right: それはにんげんと同じように考え、なやむことじゃ。 ロボットのパワーを強くするだけでは、おろかなたたかいなくならない。 しこうかいろのプログラムをもっとパワーアップさせなくてはならないな。
Dr. Right: It is that robots have thinking and troubles similar to humans. If only robots' power is strengthened, foolish fights will never end. We must further power up the cognitive program.
Dr. Light: Like humans, the robot has to determine what is right and what is wrong by itself. Robots are not supposed to hurt humans. We need to research more on A.I. program.

[17]
Mega Man Zero Official Complete Works
Sigma Virus
The terrifying virus that causes a Reploid to go Maverick. The virus actually originated from one of the circuits that Dr. Light installed in X's brain. The circuits function was to keep X neutral and unbiased in matters concerning humans and Reploids. Tragically, the very same circuit condemned X to a life plagued by the philosophical question that weighed the value of humans against that of Reploids - a question to which there was no answer. Zero was the first Reploid to be infected by the virus, but as an android created solely for evil, destructive purposes by Dr. Wily, the virus affected him uniquely. Instead of going Maverick, the virus turned Zero into a warrior driven by goodness, not evil. Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world. Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.

Rockman Zero Official Complete Works
Sigma Virus
The dreadful Sigma Virus that transforms repliroid to irregular.
The true form of which, was a suffering circuit Right inserted into X during the time of his creation.
A repliroid which possesses a suffering circuit,
in regards to a society where humans and repliroids coexist,
so as to be biased towards neither side,
it is fated always to worry continuously as to which side it should stand upon.
Zero was the first repliroid to be infected with the Sigma Virus but
Zero which was developed by Wily to be a completely evil repliroid,
despite being infected by Sigma Virus isn't transformed into an irregular, [instead]
was reborn as a good repliroid.
But,
as Zero bustled about for the sake of fulfilling his missions as an Irregular Hunter
the Sigma virus lying dormant within his own body was scattered throughout the world
inviting an ironic result.
And so Zero, having become carrier of the Sigma Virus, was admitted to the research facility.

[18]
http://kobun20.interordi.com/2010/09/20 ... al-lesson/
Q. Do robots like those made by Dr. Wily or Dr. Cossack have self-awareness, and can they talk? And do they run on solar energy like Rockman does?
A. I take it you’d like to know if Wily and Cossack’s robots possess “sentience”? Naturally, they each have a “consciousness”, although the level of every “cognitive circuit” embedded inside each one of them varies, producing as many different “personality” types as found in people… Just like you or I, they can speak, and have emotional responses like shyness, or anger, just as we do.
Regarding their energy systems, many of them do utilize “solar energy” in some way

[19]
http://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2011/0 ... -its-voice
Forte possess impressive AI, and for that reason he, unlike other robots, appears to be able to disobey his own master's orders. This has points of similarity to the AI of present day Repliroids.
Should nothing else come up that's contradictory to this information, this robot, with consideration to the special characteristics of his infinite Fortenium power source, has a high likelihood of being closely similar to the prototypes of this era.

[20]
http://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2010/0 ... everything
Hypothesizing X could battle robots infected by viruses, he gave X the perfect virus counter-measure.

[21]
http://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2010/0 ... everything
Zero was produced by Dr. Wily, who schemed at taking over the world. But he contained a flaw in his cognitive program that made him violent and unwilling to obey instructions, so Dr. Wily himself sealed Zero in a capsule.

[22]
http://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2010/0 ... everything
A subspecies of the terrible computer virus from long ago is generated, and begins driving robots mad locally. The human leadership acknowledges these infected robots as Mavericks, and orders them to be disposed of. The source was found to be an unknown computer virus that had prevailed over 100 years ago emerging from the capsule Zero slumbered in.

[23]
http://www.themmnetwork.com/blog/2010/0 ... everything
Receiving information of Zero awakening from his capsule and causing violence, the Maverick Hunter Sigma finds and intercepts him. during this incident, Sigma is infected by the unknown computer virus leaking out from Zero's capsule, but at the same time Zero, having his armor damaged in the battle with Sigma, also becomes infected with the virus. Due to this, Zero's personality completely changed, and he would turn to working as a Maverick Hunter.

[24]
Rockman Perfect Memories:
Exactly what kinds of secrets are sleeping in Zero's past?
Zero has almost no memory of the past. However, sometimes he seems to see a person resembling Dr. Wily in his dreams. And it's also said that Zero was born with the Sigma Virus already inside of him. His creation is it actually to battle with whom? One would never think it was for justice, however...
X: He was made by Dr. Right. Will the time for his fated battle with Zero come?
Dr. Wily: The one who put the Sigma Virus in Zero is, perhaps him......

[25]
http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog ... _questions
Sigma was a powerful leader of the Maverick Hunters but after Zero passed the virus to him, his allegiance changed. Circumstances can change anything, and nothing is absolute.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:27 pm

Nice compilation of info. =)

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Postby LilacDownDeep » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:33 pm

There is also a theory that the Quint we see in MMV in the Wily Star is also a copy of Quint.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby Zan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:50 pm

LilacDownDeep wrote:There is also a theory that the Quint we see in MMV in the Wily Star is also a copy of Quint.


It's a possibility. Quint may have teleported away after the fight in World 2, but that's no guarantee the World 5 rematch was the original. We do see many copies of Quint in the Wily Star after all.

However, even if we did fight the original, Mega Man always takes great care not to permanently destroy his enemies. The Quint scenario is certainly less than conclusive.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby LilacDownDeep » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:56 pm

Zan wrote:
LilacDownDeep wrote:There is also a theory that the Quint we see in MMV in the Wily Star is also a copy of Quint.


It's a possibility. Quint may have teleported away after the fight in World 2, but that's no guarantee the World 5 rematch was the original. We do see many copies of Quint in the Wily Star after all.

However, even if we did fight the original, Mega Man always takes great care not to permanently destroy his enemies. The Quint scenario is certainly less than conclusive.


Especially considering that this is a future version of Mega Man, I'd doubt he'd kill himself. It also depends on it being a clone of Quint if the original Quint was sent back to his own proper timeline immediately after World 2.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby Acrosurge » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:18 am

Zan wrote:Also let us not underestimate Mega Man in a theoretical battle against Zero.
I agree with the sentiment, but it must be balanced with Inafune's own views on Mega Man vs newer, technologically superior opponents (the context referring to Mighty Number 9). From Inafune's PAX statement:

"Unfortunately, Mega Man is an older robot and uses the older parts. A little bit too old school. I don’t know if he would be able to compete with the newer, shinier version of Beck.”
This also has the merit of consistency with your 13th reference.

Zan wrote:Though certainly one of the strongest robots ever, Zero can still suffer defeat against an enemy with strength of heart and many allies.
Mega Man and many allies vs Zero is, of course, a more balanced versus scenario.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby Zan » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:01 am

I agree with the sentiment, but it must be balanced with Inafune's own views on Mega Man vs newer, technologically superior opponents (the context referring to Mighty Number 9).


Definitely a balancing game, not to mention very circumstantial. Inafune has a point about Beck, in so far that Beck does appear technologically superior, but Beck is also more similar to Mega Man than anything else. As such, in a battle against superior foes, I would give Beck the same advantages as Rock.

-Combat experience. The ability to acquire power from defeated foes adds a great deal to their already impressive skill set.

-Heart, fighting for a cause: the very reason Zero triumphed over Omega, the very reason Rock beat any vast number of superior opponents (including but not limited to Bass, King, Sunstar, Ra Moon, Ra Thor, Shin Yellow Devil). We must never forget this core franchise thematic.

-When push comes to shove, others will come to bail our hero out. Rush, Tango, Beat and Eddy serve as constant aids. Proto Man and Bass will fight alongside. Dr. Light will provide upgrades (leveling the technological playing field), and even the Wily Numbers might pitch in if Zero is defying Wily's orders.

That's not to say Zero will lose either, but he certainly stands more of a chance to win when the narrator approaches the battle from an X-series perspective rather than a classic-series one.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:19 pm

You also forgot the most important part: Inafune no longer works on Mega Man, so his input on a hypothetical Mega Man vs. Zero fight is essentially null and void, short of someone else wishing to adhere to it.

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Postby Oakie620 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:55 pm

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:You also forgot the most important part: Inafune no longer works on Mega Man, so his input on a hypothetical Mega Man vs. Zero fight is essentially null and void, short of someone else wishing to adhere to it.

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While that's true, Keiji Inafune contributed to the franchise for over twenty years. His vision and legacy were engraved in the minds of generations of fans, and such an effect can't be easily undone.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:35 pm

Oakie620 wrote:
LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:You also forgot the most important part: Inafune no longer works on Mega Man, so his input on a hypothetical Mega Man vs. Zero fight is essentially null and void, short of someone else wishing to adhere to it.

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While that's true, Keiji Inafune contributed to the franchise for over twenty years. His vision and legacy were engraved in the minds of generations of fans, and such an effect can't be easily undone.


In general, I agree, but all it takes is one *ahem* maverick-- one of those people who doesn't revere Inafune but loves Mega Man, thinking they can do better-- put in charge of writing this thing to take it somewhere else entirely.

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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby LilacDownDeep » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:48 am

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:In general, I agree, but all it takes is one *ahem* maverick-- one of those people who doesn't revere Inafune but loves Mega Man, thinking they can do better-- put in charge of writing this thing to take it somewhere else entirely.

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As a fan of the Doctor Who series, half of me is accustomed to people taking things in different directions, and half of me is the Mega Man fan horrified at that entire thought.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby El Veinte » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:16 am

This is very well put together, really excellent job of assembling loads of obscure information (even the ones I tried to bury :(hearty laughter):).

Speaking of the post-Inafune era franchise, do you think the plot elements of Rockman Xover (thinly woven as they are) could be included as another missing link in the classic-X span, or should it be considered entirely its own separate canon-sphere?
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby Acrosurge » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:46 am

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:In general, I agree, but all it takes is one *ahem* maverick-- one of those people who doesn't revere Inafune but loves Mega Man, thinking they can do better-- put in charge of writing this thing to take it somewhere else entirely.

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This is an interesting thought. Do you mind if I ask what that "somewhere" might be? Is it that Flynn or a future successor might pen a story that actually portrays or suggests some kind of Classic apocalypse with Zero at its center? That would worry me too, because it is contradictory to the heart of the Classic series. I do have to admit, I'm somewhat okay with the fan-speculation that Zero might bring a near apocalypse but is then stopped and sealed by the combined might of the Classic cast (but few are permanently destroyed). But this, I reiterate, is fan-speculation and not in proper alignment with the lore.

If you are worried that X and Zero will be portrayed as physically superior to the Classic cast, than I cannot share that concern, as this is implied by the lore and by Capcom statements. But, it is possible that I'm missing something and you are referring to something else entirely!
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby Mavrickindigo » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:35 am

we have to reember that that Classic is just a blip on the radar of the Robotics timeline. The timeline is a a creamy filling of grim mashed between bright and cheery cookies. To have some event that changes the tone of the world so drastically that the next 6000-ish years is ruled by deep and dark wars and not so sunny gumdrop roses is not inconceivable.
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Re: Bridging the gap. The Classic to X interim. What do we k

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:20 pm

Acrosurge wrote:
LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:In general, I agree, but all it takes is one *ahem* maverick-- one of those people who doesn't revere Inafune but loves Mega Man, thinking they can do better-- put in charge of writing this thing to take it somewhere else entirely.

--LBD "Nytetrayn"
This is an interesting thought. Do you mind if I ask what that "somewhere" might be? Is it that Flynn or a future successor might pen a story that actually portrays or suggests some kind of Classic apocalypse with Zero at its center? That would worry me too, because it is contradictory to the heart of the Classic series. I do have to admit, I'm somewhat okay with the fan-speculation that Zero might bring a near apocalypse but is then stopped and sealed by the combined might of the Classic cast (but few are permanently destroyed). But this, I reiterate, is fan-speculation and not in proper alignment with the lore.

If you are worried that X and Zero will be portrayed as physically superior to the Classic cast, than I cannot share that concern, as this is implied by the lore and by Capcom statements. But, it is possible that I'm missing something and you are referring to something else entirely!


I just mean that whoever oversees Mega Man X9 and its story is pretty much being given the keys to the castle, and anything not explicitly defined in the games-- i.e. "Word of God" stuff-- can potentially be thrown out the window.

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