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The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:22 am

Not sure how many here follow The Completionist, but he just reviewed Sonic Heroes. Be warned, some mild NSFW language.

I found it rather enlightening, as I've only seen bits here and there and played the demo that came with Mario Kart: Double Dash!! I thought others here might be interested and it could be a good conversation piece.

Incidentally, I think I did get a friend's old copy, but I've just not had time to really sit down with it.

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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Mordum » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:52 pm

This video reminds me that Sonic responds to Metal Sonic's existential crisis by being like IF YOU WANT A REMATCH, JUST LET ME KNOW.

YOU'RE TOO SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Sonic is the best.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby The Swordsman » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:54 pm

While I usely like The Completionist I disagree with the rating I would've given it a Finish it! The voices didn't bother me at all and loved all the continuity nods.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Kellox » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:27 am

I find myself agreeing with him most of the time here,

it doesn't help that I grew up the PS2 version,
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby FancyFool » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:39 am

Oh boy, another cynical internet personality reviewing a Sonic game that he is no doubt going to judge harshly because 99% of the gaming community are biased against Sonic outside of the Classic Games. And it just so happens this particular game is one of my personal favorites that I'll admit is flawed but is still enjoyable and doesn't deserve immense vitriol. Yeah, I think I'm going to pass.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:36 pm

FancyFool wrote:Oh boy, another cynical internet personality reviewing a Sonic game that he is no doubt going to judge harshly because 99% of the gaming community are biased against Sonic outside of the Classic Games. And it just so happens this particular game is one of my personal favorites that I'll admit is flawed but is still enjoyable and doesn't deserve immense vitriol. Yeah, I think I'm going to pass.


Maybe a little cynical, but no more than anyone else on this board is about Sonic, I would say. It seemed pretty even-handed to me, or else I probably wouldn't have posted it.

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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby MetalSkulkBane » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:51 pm

I found this review weird. He didn't said very little bad about the game, but gave it low score anyway. The only thing he really complained were controls and lack of reward for 100% completions.

Personally I'm not sure if games need that kind of reward.
If I love the game I like to have means to length my game time. Reward won't be necessary. I beat Generations 100% even though I knew there will be no prize. (Okay, almost 100%. %^&%^ Time Eater)
If game was okay, but I don't feel like getting A ranks or stuff like that, this hidden reward will haunt me. I don't want replay Big the Cat in SA1, but that means no Metal Sonic skin. And I love Metal Sonic.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Garet » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:57 pm

^ I get the feeling based on this video and his name that the end grade is aimed for people who like to get 100% perfect saves. I like to collect the trophies on ps games even though I know they won't mean anything, and for something like KH2 I like the extra bosses and stuff you do and the secret endings to erase my last ??? in the theater felt like a nice reward, even though some of the bosses were tough for me (lingering will and some data battles) I enjoyed doing it. But for example, Sonic Unleashed, I finished the game but some of the stuff needed for 100% (Eggmanland challenges) just made me give up on a 100% trophy list.

For example, again I quite enjoy KH2 so say I gave it a B+ for the game and I also like the post game stuff but not quite as much then maybe in the case of this video I'd say a B overall. Whereas some of Unleashed stuff was so tedious for people who like 100% completion I can see where the grade would be lowered even if he enjoyed it (I had the adventures and heroes for gamecube so never saw the trophy lists on if they were as hard to get all trophies).
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:47 am

Indeed, I've long ago dropped my own completionist tendencies in games unless there's something particularly compelling to drive me on.

From what I've heard about Sonic Heroes, particularly the gathering of the Chaos Emeralds, going 100% may be more trouble than it's worth. The game is still fun to play, but kind of has diminishing returns?

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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Kellox » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:18 am

FancyFool wrote:Oh boy, another cynical internet personality reviewing a Sonic game that he is no doubt going to judge harshly because 99% of the gaming community are biased against Sonic outside of the Classic Games. And it just so happens this particular game is one of my personal favorites that I'll admit is flawed but is still enjoyable and doesn't deserve immense vitriol. Yeah, I think I'm going to pass.


You know I can also argue ''oh boy another sensitive Sonic fanboy that can't accept criticism towards his favorite games '' because that tends to happen a lot lets be honest,


He was pretty even he didn't crash the game but he did mention rightfully its flaws.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Unknownshadow675 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:19 am

Personally, I find it to be very flawed. But still playable. It's a mediocre game.

It's still better than Shadow The Hedgehog so that's a plus.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Specs64z » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:31 am

FancyFool wrote:Oh boy, another cynical internet personality reviewing a Sonic game that he is no doubt going to judge harshly because 99% of the gaming community are biased against Sonic outside of the Classic Games. And it just so happens this particular game is one of my personal favorites that I'll admit is flawed but is still enjoyable and doesn't deserve immense vitriol. Yeah, I think I'm going to pass.

?
You haven't seen many of his Sonic videos, huh? He's actually generally positive about them and even admits he likes the majority of Sonic games. He doesn't judge it overly harshly, and his critisisms are completely legitimate. Repetitive character lines, terrible special stages, and repetition are the games main flaws and that's what he mainly addressed. Though, I do feel that his final rating was a little low.
Unknownshadow675 wrote:It's still better than Shadow the Hedgehog so that's a plus

Actually, I like Shadow better because it's
1) less glitchy and/or flawed
2) more difficult
3) no broken special stages
4) far less repetitive and
5) much more replayable
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby FancyFool » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:49 am

Kellox wrote:You know I can also argue ''oh boy another sensitive Sonic fanboy that can't accept criticism towards his favorite games '' because that tends to happen a lot lets be honest,


He was pretty even he didn't crash the game but he did mention rightfully its flaws.

Specs64z wrote:?
You haven't seen many of his Sonic videos, huh? He's actually generally positive about them and even admits he likes the majority of Sonic games. He doesn't judge it overly harshly, and his critisisms are completely legitimate. Repetitive character lines, terrible special stages, and repetition are the games main flaws and that's what he mainly addressed. Though, I do feel that his final rating was a little low.

Okay, you both got me there. I just have a very, very, very dim view of internet reviewers, especially of the gamer kind, so of course I assumed the worse of this guy, which I shouldn't do and I apologize for that. Still, given Heroes' controversial nature I was wary of how this guy would review it, even if he actually does like most Sonic games, and wouldn't you know it I watched his review and immediately regretted it. Sure, he didn't trash it but it seemed he had more negative things to say about it. Heck, his final word on the game was essentially "it's fun but... um..." *Sigh* Look, I won't deny that Heroes is a very flawed game, in fact it's one of the major reasons why I wish Sonic isn't in SEGA's hands, but good lord it's problems are not as bad as people, even this guy, love to make them out to be. The camera is at most inconvenient on occasion, it's not constantly being a problem nor dos it try to kill you every second. The game has numerous glitches but they don't occur that often in a normal playthrough, you'd really have to go out of your way to trigger a good number of them. The character lines... Honestly, how is that a bad thing at all? It gives the game a sense of atmosphere and life having the characters speak during the levels and they don't repeat their lines THAT often. Really, the only criticisms against this game I can legit see are the slippery controls, the Special Stages, and having to play it four times. Of course, everyone's experiences are different so it seems I just had a better time with this game than anyone else.

There's also how his review is peppered with jokes that, personally, aren't very funny and only serve to make me take his review less seriously (same deal with every other internet game reviewer). Like, did he really have to harp on Amy for referencing Casinopolis? It'd be better if he pointed out that Amy never went to Casinopolis so her referencing it makes no sense, but no it's the mere act of referencing a level from a past game that apparently bothers him, which in turn bothers me because WHY ARE YOU SO BOTHERED BY A HARMLESS LITTLE REFERENCE!? ... You know what, I'm just going to stop myself right here. Point is, I don't like internet reviewers and their reviews, especially of things that I favor, are to be taken with a grain of salt. I won't deny that I'm an immature crap-nugget for holding this viewpoint and I wish I wasn't but that's what I am and that won't change for quite a while (and by all means, feel free to call me out on this. I deserve it).
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Mordum » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:23 pm

FancyFool wrote:Okay, you both got me there. I just have a very, very, very dim view of internet reviewers,


I know that feel, internet reviewers are basically the dumbest people on the planet.
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Re: The Completionist Reviews Sonic Heroes

Postby Adamis » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:58 pm

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:Indeed, I've long ago dropped my own completionist tendencies in games unless there's something particularly compelling to drive me on.

From what I've heard about Sonic Heroes, particularly the gathering of the Chaos Emeralds, going 100% may be more trouble than it's worth. The game is still fun to play, but kind of has diminishing returns?

--LBD "Nytetrayn"


??? Those special stages are easy, gathering the emeralds is child's play.
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