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Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby jazzflower92 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:40 pm

http://amomentofarchiesonic.tumblr.com/ ... mment-went

Bring up issues from the old reality, did anyone find it weird that Knuckles and Julie Su were distant cousins. I know that in other cultures cousin marrying isn't as taboo, but here in America it is very much seen as very gross. It was pretty much not brought up at all and quietly ignored.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Duck Army » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:58 pm

That's disturbing.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby The Shadow Imperator » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:04 pm

It's only disturbing when you just call them "cousins" and deliberately ignore the SEVENTEEN PLUS GENERATIONS separating them.

The incest taboo only exists to prevent mutations from accumulating through inbreeding over time. The only thing "gross" or "disturbing" about this is your own ignorance of basic genetics.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:09 pm

The Shadow Imperator wrote:The only thing "gross" or "disturbing" about this is your own ignorance of basic genetics.


Let's try not to go there, hmm? You can argue your point without lowering yourself to insulting people.

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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby jazzflower92 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:12 pm

I still think this is kind of surprising since the comic is aimed at kids, but then again this was the Pender's age where questionable material was put in without any oversight.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Tylinos » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:37 pm

The Shadow Imperator wrote:It's only disturbing when you just call them "cousins" and deliberately ignore the SEVENTEEN PLUS GENERATIONS separating them.

Yeah. They're honestly not all too closely related. Heck, in real life, genaeology studies have shown some crazy things regarding relations. For instance, that just about everyone in Europe is related to each other by only going back about 1,000 years. (And, as that article notes, if you have a European link you your blood at all, you're probably descended from Charlemange.)

Basically, the only thing tha makes this anything closer than any two Europeans' relations is the whole weird thing about the time dilation in the Twilight Cage.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Meliden » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:40 pm

It'd probably seem less distinct in people's minds if they and the book itself didn't draw huge emphasis on the family stuff. Like, they were going "look, we're related!" on a pretty frequent basis.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Duck Army » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:14 pm

How are they 17 generations apart? It shows them at the same time point.
Oh wait i see what you mean.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Mordum » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:13 pm

jazzflower92 wrote:http://amomentofarchiesonic.tumblr.com/post/20358543852/guest-submission-original-author-comment-went

Bring up issues from the old reality, did anyone find it weird that Knuckles and Julie Su were distant cousins. I know that in other cultures cousin marrying isn't as taboo, but here in America it is very much seen as very gross. It was pretty much not brought up at all and quietly ignored.


The Echidnas aren't an American culture, so.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Mr.Unsmiley » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:14 pm

having relationships with cousins (other than first cousins) is actually something of a recent taboo. I've seen several movies from the 1920s where the relationship plots revolve around cousins and no one in the movie acts like there's anything weird about it (Cat and the Canary is the first one that comes to mind)
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby jazzflower92 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:33 pm

Mordum wrote:
jazzflower92 wrote:http://amomentofarchiesonic.tumblr.com/post/20358543852/guest-submission-original-author-comment-went

Bring up issues from the old reality, did anyone find it weird that Knuckles and Julie Su were distant cousins. I know that in other cultures cousin marrying isn't as taboo, but here in America it is very much seen as very gross. It was pretty much not brought up at all and quietly ignored.


The Echidnas aren't an American culture, so.


Penders actually at one time compared the Echidnas to Americans.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby NiTROACTiVE » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:57 pm

Oh god, so Knuckles and Julie-Su are cousins? That's just messed up seeing how they were a couple, but then again, like The Shadow Imperator and Tylinos said, they just might not be closely related at all.

Also, what issue was that chart from?
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Tylinos » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:16 pm

NiTROACTiVE wrote:Also, what issue was that chart from?

#109
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Mobotropolis » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:18 pm

Marrying a first cousin is illegal in only about half of the United States. Knuckles and Julie-Su aren't first cousins, though, so the law hardly matters in that aspect. They share a common ancestor just like the majority of humans living today if you go far enough down.

Mr. Unsmiley is also correct about the taboo being a relatively recent thing. Not even three centuries ago nobility and the wealthy otherwise made an effort to keep their titles and wealth within the family by arranging for the marriage of their offspring to cousins, nieces, nephews, and the like. It is because of this practice that certain hereditary illnesses like hemophilia are associated with royalty. Relationships like this were discouraged not because of the " ick " factor but because such closeness in genetics did not bode well for the offspring.

Of course, when you're knowledge of medicine only extends as far as treating diseases with leeches and going to the barber for surgery you can't really be expected to know that much about how genetics work. Baby has some extra toes? That might be a hereditary condition -- or witchcraft. Who knows?

When you get to a difference of 16 Generations it hardly matters, genetically speaking.
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Re: Julie Su And Knuckles are kissing cousins

Postby Spin » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:09 pm

It was only weird when KtE talked about uniting the families and such with the coupling of Knuckles and Julie Su. All the more when Julie Su doesn't identify herself as someone from the House of Dimitri due to the forced mindwipe. But it keeps getting brought up as if it'd make for nice token status symbol.
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