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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Ryannumber1gamer » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:28 pm

Wow. That's really a massive shame, especially since Shard was one of the best developed characters pre-reboot, especially with the friendship he had with Nicole.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Tylinos » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:37 pm

Ian Flynn wrote:Mr. Penders also wrote the story that introduced a Mecha Sonic with a power gem core, which was later turned into Shard.

To be fair, while that story did introduce the power gem core, it also made it clear that it was the same Mecha Sonic from the CD adaptation, and Robotnik said that the core was just a new upgrade.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Ryannumber1gamer » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:40 pm

Tylinos wrote:
Ian Flynn wrote:Mr. Penders also wrote the story that introduced a Mecha Sonic with a power gem core, which was later turned into Shard.

To be fair, while that story did introduce the power gem core, it also made it clear that it was the same Mecha Sonic from the CD adaptation, and Robotnik said that the core was just a new upgrade.


Plus he was very clearly named dropped as Metal Sonic. A name and character created by Sega. There was no alternation on the name whatsoever. Shard was clearly named Metal Sonic in that story.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Tylinos » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:45 pm

Ryannumber1gamer wrote:
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Ian Flynn wrote:Mr. Penders also wrote the story that introduced a Mecha Sonic with a power gem core, which was later turned into Shard.

To be fair, while that story did introduce the power gem core, it also made it clear that it was the same Mecha Sonic from the CD adaptation, and Robotnik said that the core was just a new upgrade.


Plus he was very clearly named dropped as Metal Sonic. A name and character created by Sega. There was no alternation on the name whatsoever. Shard was clearly named Metal Sonic in that story.

That was in a different issue. In both the CD and Chaotix adaptations, he was referred to as Mecha Sonic.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Meliden » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:45 pm

Which technically doesn't change the argument made.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Tylinos » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:52 pm

Meliden wrote:Which technically doesn't change the argument made.

I know. Just didn't want any confusion.

Anyway, all I mean is that Ken didn't introduce the Mecha/Metal Sonic that became Shard, only the Power Gem he used. And the character can easily return without a Power Gem in a reboot. Doesn't mean Archie needs to bring him back or anything. But it would've been weird if the (implied) reason was something that wasn't even true, like saying Ken introduced him.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby The Walking Hedgehog » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:58 pm

Ryannumber1gamer wrote:
Tylinos wrote:
Ian Flynn wrote:Mr. Penders also wrote the story that introduced a Mecha Sonic with a power gem core, which was later turned into Shard.

To be fair, while that story did introduce the power gem core, it also made it clear that it was the same Mecha Sonic from the CD adaptation, and Robotnik said that the core was just a new upgrade.


Plus he was very clearly named dropped as Metal Sonic. A name and character created by Sega. There was no alternation on the name whatsoever. Shard was clearly named Metal Sonic in that story.


And while technically Penders created the idea of having Metal Sonic have a power gem core, he did not create the idea of transforming him into the character of Shard. So technically Shard could return as some form of a robot, but not necessarily a former Metal Sonic.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby The Shadow Emperor » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:15 pm

He came up with the idea of a Robin Hood-esque archer Freedom Fighter, but that didn't stop them from making Bow Sparrow and importing him into the new continuity.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby The Walking Hedgehog » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:22 pm

The Shadow Emperor wrote:He came up with the idea of a Robin Hood-esque archer Freedom Fighter, but that didn't stop them from making Bow Sparrow and importing him into the new continuity.


Well yeah, since technically it's not the exact same character as Rob O' was, so that was allowed. It's not like he's got the exact same story and personality that Rob O' had.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby AAA20 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:46 pm

I'd be pretty darn sad if we never saw Shard again, but not much we can do about it if he is.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby The Walking Hedgehog » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:17 pm

AAA20 wrote:I'd be pretty darn sad if we never saw Shard again, but not much we can do about it if he is.

*gasp* How dare you give up so easily! I will make sure Shard gets in this reboot one way or another! Whether he be some random AI, a robot Hedgehog, or something else. Shard. Will. Return!!
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Spin » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:02 pm

You could probably argue how much credit Penders deserves. Power Gems are based off the concept of the Power Emerald, which was the item that was said to be the power source of Carnival Island and what Robotnik wanted in the Western Knuckles Chaotix storyline. But was nowhere in the actual game.

Penders did his own thing with it by establishing the Emerald as many small gems like the Chaos Emeralds in the early years. And gave them the unique powers of granting robots free will, done in the case of Heavy and Bomb. Or just enlarging you, done in the case of Mecha Sonic who powered up into Titan and Knuckles who just grew big.

Mecha Sonic didn't show up with a power gem embedded in his chest until #86. Which was the story Danny Fingeroth wrote.

Penders just expanded on canon to make Power Gems, handed them out to the characters in the Knuckles Chaotix adaption, and gave them original powers such as robots sentient.

Which was the key plot of #86. So it's just Penders having an effect from a previous story he wrote with a minor but important storyline aspect. In other words, he stuck a finger in the potato salad and now no one is allowed to eat it.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby SimonSays » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:18 pm

If that was the only issue to bringing him back, I don't see why he couldn't turn good au natural like Metal in the OVA. You wouldn't need the power gems at all. His third appearance that made him who he was was basically an abridged version of the OVA anyway.

I'd imagine the bigger roadblock would be trying to find a place for him with the modern 'definitely not a good guy, one and only blue robot' Metal Sonic already established. They had to dance around that before the reboot even happened. I'm still on team 'make him S3&K Mecha Sonic because that'd be rad' but we don't even know if Mecha Sonic is allowed to appear, let alone be changed like that.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby Toby » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:22 am

Spoiler: show
He could just be Pseudo Sonic.
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Re: Characters who may not show up again

Postby GentlemanX » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:43 am

Toby wrote:
Spoiler: show
He could just be Pseudo Sonic.

And they have the same personality so no one would know the difference. ...who wrote the Pseudo-Sonic story again?

If Archie and/or Sega is willing to let Penders own the Metal Sonic from Sonic CD because he used him in an adaptation of the OVA and was given an aesthetic design alteration, Penders should feel free to openly start calling Lara-Su's dad Knuckles so long as he's colored green.

I'm sorry, there's no logical basis for Shard to not be used anymore. It sets an unacceptable precedent.
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