Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Spectre the Hechidnat » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:21 pm

I was just going for the Toy Story reference-but I approve.

I am hoping that Naugus will be making a comeback before too long-thus far the reboot's rogues gallery is decidedly Eggman-centric.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby linebyline » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:54 pm

It makes some sense: In the games, the only bad guy we've really had that can't be traced back to Eggman has been Black Doom. I guess you could also include GUN if you count them as villains rather than antiheroes. Captain Whisker and the other robot pirates were working for the Super Eggman Bros. in the end, Eggman Nega is only a threat to Sonic's time and/or dimension because of Eggman (whether teaming up with him or trying to fix his reputation in the future), all the monsters of the week were released by Eggman, and even the robots that usurped him (Metal Sonic and Gemerl) were built by him. (Okay, the Tails Game Gear Games also had non-Eggman villains, but I'm not even sure whether to count those.)

In the comics, though, it would be awfully nice to expand beyond that, and using Naugus as a more magic-based villain (since Eggman doesn't seem to have much interest in that apart from using magical and quasi-magical items as power sources) would be a great way to do that.

Ultimately, since Eggman is the main villain and (unlike the games) a major world power, any villain introduced is going to have to play off him in one way or another. You're not likely to run into anyone with ambitious enough evil plans to be on the Freedom Fighters' radar (or a viable threat to Sonic) who could get away with not thinking about Eggman at all. But these villains don't actually need to be Egg Bosses or people with a specific connection to him like (arguable STH #268 spoiler)...
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...Breezie, who doesn't work for Eggman and sometimes apparently clashes with him, but has a history of working for/with him before creating her own (media) empire and depends on a business deal with Eggman to keep her casinos staffed with leftover Badniks.


Of course, maybe Naugus still has some version of his SatAM history with Eggman, so he wouldn't be entirely independent in that sense, but he's most likely independent now. (Come to think of it I'd be interested to see how/if the post-reboot comics handled the Void.)
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Penguin God » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:50 pm

Mephiles, Deadly Six, Erazor, Merlina, Ix, SCR-HD, Battlebirds, Witchkart... there's a decent amount of villains other than Eggman in the games. They're usually just one shots or spinoffs, so they're not quite so memorable.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Damo » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:06 am

Penguin God wrote:Mephiles, Deadly Six, Erazor, Merlina, Ix, SCR-HD, Battlebirds, Witchkart... there's a decent amount of villains other than Eggman in the games. They're usually just one shots or spinoffs, so they're not quite so memorable.


For the most part they're already well-defined by SEGA and it's unlikely we'd see much deviation from the source material. Maybe with the very old ones, but... Ian was free to craft sympathetic back-stories for Regina and Lightning Lynx, turn Flying Frog into a psychotic mass-murderer, and retool Mogul into the founder of Naugus' order AND Silver's mentor. I don't think SEGA would give him that much freedom with Mephiles or the Deadly Six.

One of my favorite things in the book was seeing Ian take characters others hand come up with and put a new spin on them, with sufficient freedom to actually make it a NEW spin. It's pretty sad that his options in that regard have been greatly diminished.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby linebyline » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:48 pm

Penguin God wrote:Mephiles, Deadly Six, Erazor, Merlina, Ix, SCR-HD, Battlebirds, Witchkart... there's a decent amount of villains other than Eggman in the games. They're usually just one shots or spinoffs, so they're not quite so memorable.

Gah, forgot the storybook series! You got me there.

Ix has the same "Is it canon? Sega doesn't care!" problem as Witchcart and the Battlebirds, though.

And everything else you mentioned has an Eggman connection: SRC-HD was created by Eggman, and Mephiles and the Deadly Six were basically unleashed by him. They're all part of the same cycle that most of the series' non-Eggman villains have: Eggman hatches a plan involving a monster of the week (which he either built or dug up somewhere), the monster turns on him, and as often as not he teams up with Sonic to help beat it.

Of course, it's not like some of those characters couldn't grow out of that connection, not unlike the Archie character I mentioned in the spoiler. Heck, you could argue Knuckles and Shadow both did that. But given Sega's current attitude to continuity (and the way that some of the characters were sealed away for the next however many thousand years or even destroyed outright), it's not likely to happen.

Come to think of it, was Nack ever actually associated with Eggman? Now that I think of it, I remember him being an independent third party, so there's another one. Of course, he's already in the book and he mostly works for Eggman, so...yeah.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Mavrickindigo » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:54 pm

linebyline wrote:
Penguin God wrote:Mephiles, Deadly Six, Erazor, Merlina, Ix, SCR-HD, Battlebirds, Witchkart... there's a decent amount of villains other than Eggman in the games. They're usually just one shots or spinoffs, so they're not quite so memorable.

Gah, forgot the storybook series! You got me there.

Ix has the same "Is it canon? Sega doesn't care!" problem as Witchcart and the Battlebirds, though.

Actually, a SEGA employee said it wasn't canon, most likely because Penders
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby LBD_Nytetrayn » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:08 am

linebyline wrote:
Penguin God wrote:Mephiles, Deadly Six, Erazor, Merlina, Ix, SCR-HD, Battlebirds, Witchkart... there's a decent amount of villains other than Eggman in the games. They're usually just one shots or spinoffs, so they're not quite so memorable.

Gah, forgot the storybook series! You got me there.

Ix has the same "Is it canon? Sega doesn't care!" problem as Witchcart and the Battlebirds, though.

And everything else you mentioned has an Eggman connection: SRC-HD was created by Eggman, and Mephiles and the Deadly Six were basically unleashed by him. They're all part of the same cycle that most of the series' non-Eggman villains have: Eggman hatches a plan involving a monster of the week (which he either built or dug up somewhere), the monster turns on him, and as often as not he teams up with Sonic to help beat it.

Of course, it's not like some of those characters couldn't grow out of that connection, not unlike the Archie character I mentioned in the spoiler. Heck, you could argue Knuckles and Shadow both did that. But given Sega's current attitude to continuity (and the way that some of the characters were sealed away for the next however many thousand years or even destroyed outright), it's not likely to happen.

Come to think of it, was Nack ever actually associated with Eggman? Now that I think of it, I remember him being an independent third party, so there's another one. Of course, he's already in the book and he mostly works for Eggman, so...yeah.


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Has anyone come up with one of those crackpot "Dr. Light is the real villain" theories that Eggman is really the good guy, reviving all of these Eldritch abominations and such so that they can be dealt with for good and never harm anyone again?


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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Astrobot7000 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:29 pm

Do you think Naugus and the troll people live under bridges with internet connections?

...sorry. That was low hanging fruit there.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby linebyline » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:33 pm

Mavrickindigo wrote:Actually, a SEGA employee said it wasn't canon, most likely because Penders

Oh, yeah, definitely Penders-related. But before then I don't think they really cared about it enough to worry about whether it was canon or not. My impression was that it didn't sell too well, so they kinda moved onto the next thing.

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Has anyone come up with one of those crackpot "Dr. Light is the real villain" theories that Eggman is really the good guy, reviving all of these Eldritch abominations and such so that they can be dealt with for good and never harm anyone again?


I believe you just did. Intriguing.

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I'd buy it but for all the take-over-the-world attempts before Chaos. It could still work, in one of two ways: Either he's destroying the monsters so there'll be a world left for him to rule (c.f. "How can I take over the city if there is no city?"), or he was trying to take over the world to make it easier to protect it from the monsters.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Mavrickindigo » Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:20 pm

So, did any previous Sonic franchise have trolls in it?

The only thing I can think of is "Tails Gets Trolled"
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby The Bored » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:00 pm

Mavrickindigo wrote:So, did any previous Sonic franchise have trolls in it?

Just the majority of the fandom.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Mavrickindigo » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:13 am

The Bored wrote:
Mavrickindigo wrote:So, did any previous Sonic franchise have trolls in it?

Just the majority of the fandom.

Huh, so its original, huh? I was expecting it to be some extremely obscure reference to something.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby The Bored » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:31 pm

Mavrickindigo wrote:
The Bored wrote:
Mavrickindigo wrote:So, did any previous Sonic franchise have trolls in it?

Just the majority of the fandom.

Huh, so its original, huh? I was expecting it to be some extremely obscure reference to something.

Closest thing to a troll in the Sonic games are some giant green creatures that can be seen in the background pushing siege towers in one of the stages in Sonic and the Black Knight. They're pretty easy to miss though.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby NxtWaltDisney » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:56 pm

Speaking of trolls...guess who announced his vengence on Sonic Stadium?(In case no one else knew already) I'll give you a hint, he's the #2 lackey of a certain...writer.
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Re: Naugus Is Now A Troll and the Troll Civlization

Postby Meliden » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:19 pm

This topic isn't for that sort of discussion.
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